The Honorary Member
Why Jesus could not have been a Muslim — on submission, the shahada, the missing Injīl, the corruption argument, and the historical Jesus the Gospels actually describe.
An Introduction
Honored, never enrolled.
I have had this conversation more times than I can count, and almost always over food. Somewhere between the jollof and a second cup of soda, a friend will say — and I do mean friend, the kind of person whose company I would choose on a slow Sunday — you know Jesus was a Muslim, right?
From friends, it is never meant to wound. It is offered the way you would hand someone a spare key to a house you have both just realised you live in. He was a prophet. He submitted to God. He performed miracles by God’s permission (the permission part deserves its own explanation, because it is not entirely true, but that is for a different essay). He called people to worship the One. What is that, if not Islam?
I should be honest, though, because it is not always offered so gently. The same sentence that lands as warmth across a dinner table can land as a jab in a comment section, where it is sometimes deployed less to build a bridge and more to plant a flag. I have seen both versions. I am going to spend most of this essay answering the warm one, because it is the sincere one and it deserves the most care. But I have not forgotten that the other one is out there.
I want to honour the spirit of the warm version before I disagree with it, because the spirit is worth honouring. It is an attempt at inclusion. It is someone saying, in effect, the man you love, we love him too.
In a world that has spent enormous energy turning Christians and Muslims into each other’s cartoons, an attempt at a bridge deserves better than a sneer. And in fairness, the attempt often gets jeered at from my side of the aisle too, which helps no one and persuades no one. So I am not going to sneer, and I am not going to jeer. I am just going to disagree, clearly, and show my work.
Let me be honest about my limits first. I am not an imam. I am not a systematic theologian. I am a Christian with a Bible, a few too many open Quran and Hadith tabs, a stubborn habit of reading the footnotes, and one working conviction: affection is not the same thing as accuracy. What follows is an argument about what I believe to be true and historically accurate, not a ruling from some chair of authority I do not occupy. If I get the Islam wrong somewhere, I would genuinely rather be corrected than flattered.
But here is the argument, and I think it holds. Jesus could not have been a Muslim. The claim only survives by doing two quiet things. It swaps the meaning of a word, and it edits the man.
Honoris causa — Latin, for the sake of honour.
Picture an old, exclusive club. A real one, with a founding charter, a membership oath, and dues that actually get collected. A few generations after a famous craftsman dies, the club decides to honour him by declaring him one of their own. He embodied our values, they say. He worked the way we work. He believed what we believe. As a tribute, this is lovely. It might even be true in spirit.
Then they take one step too far. They stop calling him an honorary member and start insisting he was an actual one — a man who took the oath, paid the dues, sat in the hall on meeting nights. That second claim is a completely different kind of claim. It is no longer about his values. It is a factual statement about what he said and did, and factual statements can be checked.
Hold onto that, because it is the whole essay in miniature. There is a world of difference between saying a man’s life resembled yours and saying he was enrolled in your institution. The first is a tribute. The second is membership, and membership has requirements.
The word Muslim holds both of those meanings at once, and the entire “Jesus was a Muslim” claim lives in the gap between them. In its broad, lowercase sense, muslim means “one who submits to God.” In that sense, Islam teaches that every true prophet going back to Adam was muslim, because submission to the one God is the single religion hiding underneath all the different names. I take that idea seriously. It seems internally coherent and even a little beautiful. By that definition, calling Jesus a muslim is almost a tautology. Of course a prophet submitted to God.
However, that broad sense is not the religion my friend belongs to. His religion is uppercase Islam: a specific revelation delivered through a specific man in seventh-century Arabia, with a creed, a scripture, and a confession of membership. And when people say “Jesus was a Muslim,” they almost never mean only the gentle lowercase thing. They mean he belonged to that. They mean he was one of us.
That is the sleight of hand. The argument borrows the obvious plausibility of the broad meaning and quietly spends it on the narrow one. And the narrow one is where everything falls apart, because uppercase Islam has an entrance requirement that Jesus, by the plain arithmetic of history, could not possibly have met.
To become a Muslim — to actually enter the religion rather than merely resemble it — you recite the shahada, the first of the Five Pillars. It has two halves. The first is pure monotheism: there is no god but God. A Jewish prophet, an early Christian, almost any serious theist could say that half and mean every word of it.
It is the second half that closes the door. The shahada requires you to testify that Muhammad is the messenger of God. This is not a decorative flourish. It is the load-bearing wall of the whole confession. You cannot be a Muslim, in the institutional sense, without affirming the prophethood of Muhammad. The creed is recited at conversion, sung in the daily call to prayer, whispered into a newborn’s ear, and hoped for as a dying person’s last words. To be a Muslim is, by definition, to bear witness to Muhammad.
Now, I want to be careful here, because there is a cheap version of this point and a real one, and I would rather hand you the real one. The cheap version is just arithmetic: Jesus was crucified around the year 30, Muhammad was not born until around 570, so Jesus could hardly confess a man who would not exist for another five hundred and forty years. Tidy, but it proves too little. Prophets foretell other prophets all the time. In the Christian reading, the whole Old Testament is one long foretelling of Jesus, and Islam itself insists that Jesus foretold Muhammad — announcing a messenger to come after him by the name of Ahmad (61:6). So “he had not been born yet” settles nothing on its own. You can point forward to a person who does not yet exist. That door is open.
The real problem is not when Muhammad arrived. It is what Jesus pointed forward to — which was not a greater prophet coming later to correct him. He pointed to himself. He did not say a final messenger is on his way, hold the line. He said, in effect, that it stopped with him: that he was the way, that to have seen him was to have seen the Father, that it was finished. His own Scriptures are blunt about it. In these last days, the letter to the Hebrews says, God has spoken to us by His Son, and there is no asterisk promising one more revelation out of Arabia six centuries on. A man who claims to be God’s final and complete word does not leave a vacancy above himself for anyone else to fill. There is no open seat. And that, not the calendar, is what makes the membership impossible. Being a Muslim is not merely expecting that a messenger will someday come. It is present allegiance to a community built on a finished revelation that turned up six hundred years later and contradicts him on the very claims he staked his life on. Prophecy can reach forward across the centuries. Membership cannot reach backward across them.
There is an obvious reply to this, and I want to put it on the page in its strongest form before I tell you what I think of it. The reply goes: you are being far too literal. “Muslim” simply means “one who submits,” and nobody is claiming Jesus carried a seventh-century membership card. The claim is that his religion and ours are the same religion, the religion of submission, and that like every true prophet he would have recognised and affirmed the one who came to complete it.
Let me be blunt about what I make of that, because I owe you my real view and not a diplomatic stand-in for it. I do not find it persuasive. It is not really a defence of “Jesus was a Muslim.” It is a quiet retreat from it, dressed to look like a defence. It stops claiming that Jesus practised Islam and starts claiming that Islam is what Jesus would have approved of, which is no longer a statement about Jesus at all. It is a statement about how Islam sees itself, projected backward onto a man who is not here to confirm or deny it.
And to be fair to me as well as to them: the silly version of my point is not the one I am making. I am not triumphantly pointing out that Jesus came first, as though Muslims had failed to notice the order of events. Obviously he came first. The point is narrower and harder than that. The confession that actually makes a person a Muslim has Muhammad’s name sitting inside it, and you cannot retrofit a man into a confession built around someone he never met and never could have met. Whether the broader projection is even allowed depends entirely on one question: what did Jesus actually teach, and what did he actually claim? Which means there is nothing for it but to go and read the record.
There is no Injīl, according to Islam, anywhere.
The moment you reach for the record, you hit the first real obstacle, and it usually arrives as a question that sounds devastating: where is the actual Injīl? Where is the book God handed down to Jesus?
I want to take that question seriously, because it does sound like a knockout until you notice the assumption buried inside it. The assumption is that real revelation can only look one way. In the Islamic model, revelation runs something like a courier service. God has a message, He hands the parcel to a prophet, the prophet signs for it and delivers it intact to the people. Moses is handed the Torah (Tawrat). Muhammad is handed the Quran. So, the reasoning goes, Jesus must have been handed a Gospel (Injīl), and whatever the Christians are lugging around instead must be a forgery or a corruption, because it is plainly not that parcel.
But the Gospels never claimed to be that parcel. Demanding that the New Testament be a book dictated to Jesus is a little like opening a biography of Gordon Ramsay and getting upset that it isn’t a recipe book. You have misunderstood the genre, not exposed fraud. Jesus, in the historical record, did not hand down a book. He was the message. He wrote, as far as anyone can tell, precisely nothing — with the single charming exception of something he once doodled in the dirt and evidently did not bother to keep. In Islam, the literal Word of God is a dictated book; in Christianity, the literal Word of God is a person. The four Gospels, from the Greek euangelion, “good news,” are accounts written by his followers to record what he did, what he said, and what was done to him.
I will gladly grant, in passing, that the Quran’s Jesus does some lovely and vivid things — speaking from the cradle, breathing life into birds shaped from clay. The trouble is that those particular scenes do not come from the historical sources at all. They trace back to later apocryphal and Gnostic infancy writings that Christianity examined and declined to keep, precisely because it did not consider them reliable history. But that is a story for another day.
Here is the part of the phantom-book objection that quietly undoes itself. If you insist that genuine revelation must be a dictated book delivered straight from heaven, you do not just lose Jesus. You lose more than half the prophets Islam itself reveres. Elijah and Elisha, honoured in Islam as Ilyas and Al-Yasa, never wrote a book between them; their lives were recorded by later scribes in the Books of Kings. Jonah, whom the Quran calls Yunus, gets a short third-person story that is honestly close to comedy — a tale about a prophet who runs from God, gets swallowed, sulks under a withered plant, and delivers a grand total of one sentence of preaching. Even Moses, whom Islam credits with handing down the Tawrat, is written about in the third person, and the book of Deuteronomy closes by recording his death and his burial. Unless Moses was taking dictation from inside his own grave, that passage is plainly a community’s record of a prophet, not a parcel he carried down a mountain.
So when someone asks, “where is the book Jesus wrote?”, the honest answer is that they are asking a question Christianity never set out to answer, any more than it set out to locate the book Elijah wrote. The Gospels are not a corrupted Injīl. They are exactly the kind of record this prophet — and several of Islam’s own prophets — always had.
Of course, the deeper move behind the phantom book is the corruption charge, the one you have heard if you have ever had this conversation late enough into the evening: the Bible has been tampered with. Of course your Gospels have Jesus claiming divinity. Christians edited him into a god.
I have no interest in spending this essay trying to dismantle Islam from the outside. That is not my project (yet), and frankly it would be both arrogant and beside the point. But I do have to clear this one obstacle, because if the Gospels are inadmissible then I have no evidence to stand on. So let me make the narrow case, and only the narrow case: the corruption charge cannot carry the weight being placed on it, and the Quran itself is the reason.
It is worth noticing how the charge has shifted over time, because the shifting is telling. Early Muslim scholars tended to argue for tahrif al-ma‘ni, corruption of meaning: the text was sound, but Christians were misreading it. Then, as more Muslims actually sat down with the New Testament and found the divinity of Christ woven into its very grammar rather than smuggled into a stray verse, the argument migrated to tahrif al-lafz, corruption of the text itself. That later, stronger claim is the one doing the heavy lifting today, and it is the one with a chronology problem.
The Quran does not treat the earlier scriptures as garbage. It affirms that God revealed the Torah and the Gospel (3:3; 5:46). It tells the People of the Gospel to judge by what God revealed in it (5:47) — a strange instruction if “it” no longer existed in any trustworthy form. It tells the People of the Scripture that they stand on nothing until they uphold the Torah and the Gospel (5:68). And then, most pointedly of all, in Surah 10:94 it turns to Muhammad himself: if you are in doubt about what We have revealed to you, ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you.
Sit with the logic of that last one for a second. You do not settle your doubts by consulting a corrupted book. You consult one you trust. The verb is present and continuous — those who are reading — which means the scriptures were being actively read by Jews and Christians in Muhammad’s own lifetime, and were considered reliable enough to serve as confirmation. The famous “corruption” verses, like 2:79 about people who write scripture with their own hands, condemn forgery and dishonest dealing, distortion of meaning — not the wholesale destruction of the text that the modern argument needs. The fully developed doctrine that the text was corrupted was elaborated centuries later, most influentially by Ibn Hazm in the eleventh century, as scholars worked out why the Bible kept stubbornly contradicting Islam. It reads less like something the Quran teaches and more like a patch applied long after the software shipped.
History agrees with the Quran here, as it happens. We are not guessing about what the Bible said in the seventh century. The Dead Sea Scrolls show a stable Hebrew text centuries before Islam existed. There is a scrap of John’s Gospel, the John Rylands fragment, dated to around 125 — within a long lifetime of the events it describes. Complete Christian Bibles like Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus predate Muhammad by roughly three hundred years and already contain the same four Gospels I have been reading. The Bible Muhammad’s contemporaries were holding is, in substance, the Bible in my hands now.
So the dilemma writes itself, and I will state it once and move on. Either the Bible was intact in Muhammad’s day, in which case the corruption charge collapses and the Gospels are admissible as evidence — or it was already corrupt, in which case the Quran sent Muhammad to consult corrupted books for reassurance, which no Muslim can accept. I have no need to force that second horn. I only need the first, because the first is all my argument requires: the Gospels are a legitimate record of the life of Jesus. So let us finally read them.
VWhat the Record Actually Says
Read the man on the page.
The Jesus of the Gospels does, on purpose, the very things Islam calls the gravest errors.
Open the Gospels with Islamic theology held up beside them, and watch what happens. The man on the page does, again and again and apparently on purpose, the precise things Islam holds to be the gravest errors a creature can commit.
Begin with the offence that towers over all the others: shirk, associating partners with God, ascribing divinity or God’s unique attributes to anything besides Him. It is the one sin the Quran says God does not forgive. And the Jesus of the Gospels commits it, by Islamic lights, in the open. He calls God his Father — not in the loose sense of “maker of us all,” but in an intimate, exclusive sense, addressing Him as Abba and teaching his followers to come close on the same terms. He says, “I and the Father are one.” He accepts the title Son of God instead of recoiling from it in horror, which is what a faithful monotheist would do.
This is not a quibble at the edges of Islam. It is a head-on collision with its centre. Surah al-Ikhlas, chapter 112 — four short lines that work as a compact summary of Islamic monotheism — insists that God neither begets nor is begotten. Elsewhere the Quran calls the claim that God has a son so monstrous that the heavens might nearly tear at it (19:88–92), and tells Christians outright that God is far above having a son (4:171). So here is the trap, and notice that it closes even if I hand my friend his biggest concession. Suppose, only for the sake of argument, that Jesus was merely a man. I do not believe that for a moment, but I grant it. A mere man who walks around calling God his Father, accepting worship as the Son of God, and inviting others into that relationship is not modelling tawhid. He is, on Islam’s own definition, committing shirk in broad daylight and recruiting. A prophet who commits the one unforgivable sin is not a prophet. The category cannot hold him. He becomes, if you will forgive the line, the least successful Muslim who ever lived.
I am going to say something here that I believe and will not pretend not to believe, because this essay is not an exercise in diplomacy. When I watch how hard the Quran works to deny the sonship of Christ — how often it circles back to insist that God has no son and that saying otherwise nearly cracks the sky — it reads to me less like an independent revelation that happens to mention Jesus, and more like a sustained rebuttal of what Christians were already saying about him. A fresh revelation does not usually spend that much energy arguing with one specific rival faith’s central claim. A polemic does. I offer that as my honest impression and not as a verdict, and you are free to weigh it as lightly as you like. But I am not going to leave it out to keep the room comfortable.
It only gets worse for the membership case from there. The Jesus of the record forgives sins on his own authority, and the bystanders react with exactly the right theological reflex, asking who can forgive sins but God alone. He accepts worship rather than refusing it, which a faithful monotheist is obligated to refuse and refuse loudly. He says “before Abraham was, I am,” deliberately reaching for the divine name revealed to Moses, and his listeners pick up stones, because they understood the claim perfectly. After the resurrection, Thomas falls in front of him and calls him “my Lord and my God,” and Jesus accepts it. He was not executed for being a gentle moral teacher. He was charged with blasphemy — the specific accusation that a man was making himself equal with God. Nobody gets accused of that for preaching submission. You get accused of that for the opposite.
And here is a thread that Islam’s own account cannot quietly tuck out of sight. Islam teaches that Jesus was not crucified, that it was only made to appear so. Fine. Grant it for a moment, and then ask the question it leaves dangling in the air: why was there a crowd trying to kill him in the first place? You do not organise an execution for a Jewish man who spends his days affirming the strict oneness of God and otherwise keeping his head down. They wanted him dead because of what he kept saying about himself, and the charge was blasphemy. So even on Islam’s own telling, in which God supposedly substitutes someone else at the last second, the man being so dramatically rescued is a man who had already spent his ministry saying the things that, by Islamic lights, are shirk. Which makes the rescue very strange indeed. You are asked to believe that God ran an elaborate operation to spare a beloved, faithful prophet from the cross, and that this same prophet had publicly committed the one sin God does not forgive. Both cannot be true at once. Removing the cross does not remove the blasphemy charge. It just leaves it standing there, unexplained.
Then there is the way he handled the Law, which is usually where someone reaches for the abrogation defence, so let me walk straight into it. Yes, Jesus turned water into wine at a wedding and drank it at his last meal, and yes, wine is later forbidden in Islam (5:90). A Muslim can reply that such things were permitted in earlier dispensations and only abrogated afterward, and taken on its own that reply has real force. So I will not hang the argument on the wine. I will hang it on something abrogation cannot touch.
Abrogation is God revising God’s own instructions across time. It is a divine prerogative, exercised through revelation. What the Gospels show is not a prophet living comfortably under an older permission. It is a man claiming that prerogative for himself. When Jesus “declares all foods clean,” he is not waiting for some future revelation to relax the rules; he is overruling the dietary law of Moses on his own say-so. When he calls himself lord of the Sabbath, he is not keeping the Sabbath especially well; he is claiming to outrank it. He touches lepers, seemingly works on the Sabbath on purpose, and again and again puts the inner state of the heart above the external code. A prophet submits to God’s law. This man kept amending it, as though it were his to amend. That is not a dietary footnote you can abrogate away. It is, one more time, a claim to a status that no prophet in Islam is ever permitted to hold. A divine status.
Which brings us to the ending, the part Islam denies and history does not. The Quran says the Jews did not kill him and did not crucify him, but that it was only made to appear so to them (4:157). I understand the impulse behind it. A loving God protects His prophets; a beloved messenger ought not to die a criminal’s death strung up between two thieves. But the crucifixion of Jesus under Pontius Pilate is about as secure as anything in ancient history ever gets. It is reported in all four Gospels and also by writers with no Christian interest to protect — the Jewish historian Josephus and the Roman historian Tacitus among them. The agnostic scholar Bart Ehrman calls it one of the most certain facts of history. The Jewish scholar Geza Vermes and the skeptic John Dominic Crossan treat it as effectively beyond dispute. This is not Christians marking their own homework. It is the rare page that believers, Jews, agnostics, and atheists all sign.
So look closely at what the Muslim Jesus actually asks you to believe about that Friday morning. Not merely that the Gospel writers made an honest mistake, but that God staged a sort of cosmic optical illusion — persuading Jesus’s own mother, his closest friends, the Roman soldiers who killed people for a living, and every historian who later recorded it, that a man had died who in fact had not. And then He left that misunderstanding standing for six hundred years before quietly correcting the record in Arabia. That is an enormous amount of machinery to install for the sake of avoiding one cross.
So assemble the man the record actually hands us. He claims divine sonship. He forgives sins the way only God forgives sins. He accepts worship. He reaches for the divine name. He is condemned for making himself equal with God. He dies on a Roman cross, in history, in front of a crowd. That man is a great many things. A faithful practitioner of Islamic monotheism is not one of them. The man the record leaves us with is one who unequivocally claimed the prerogatives of God.
Here is what I think is really going on underneath the friendly claim. There are two Jesuses on the table, and they are not the same person.
There is the necessary Jesus, the one Islam requires. He is theologically essential and historically thin: a prophet who preached pure tawhid, never claimed divinity, and was not crucified. The Quran even has him, on the Day of Judgment, turning to God and denying that he ever told anyone to worship him or his mother (5:116) — there is the polemic again. He is perfectly coherent inside the Quran’s system. The only difficulty is that there is no detailed life of him anywhere, because the only detailed life we possess belongs to the other man.
And there is the attested Jesus, the one the historical record actually hands over. He is historically robust and, for Islam, theologically impossible: the man of the Gospels, charged with blasphemy, crucified under Pontius Pilate, who spoke and acted as though the prerogatives of God were simply his to use. The man who acted as God. The man who, if you have read this essay, is essentially God himself.
The “Jesus was a Muslim” claim only functions if you quietly run on the necessary Jesus while pointing at the attested one for credibility. It wants the historical solidity of the man who really lived, and the theological convenience of the man Islam needs him to have been. You cannot have both at the same time. The man who really lived is the very one who got himself killed for the precise thing Islam insists he never did.
To make Jesus a Muslim, you must first make him a different man. And the moment you have done that, you are no longer talking about Jesus.
You are talking about a character who happens to share his name, and as we all know, a lot of people do.
I do understand what the friendly version is reaching for. It is reaching for kinship, and I do not want to be cold about that, because the reaching is human and decent. But I am not going to buy the kinship at the price of pretending our differences are smaller than they are. You will sometimes hear it said that Muslims and Christians worship the same God and honour the same prophets. I do not believe that, and I am not going to recite it just because it makes the room warmer. Descent and worship are not the same thing. Muslims trace their line to Abraham through Ishmael, and while that lineage is foundational to their tradition, sharing a forefather is not the same as sharing a God, and recognising an overlapping cast of names is not the same as honouring the same prophets. Adam is the first man to me, not a prophet. Muhammad is not a prophet to me at all. We are not quite the cousins the slogan wants us to be.
What I will gladly say is this. Christians can hold the door open, and we should, with both arms. Kinship, real kinship, is welcome here. But it cannot be manufactured by absorbing a man you have not actually troubled to understand. If you want Jesus, you have to take the one documented in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The real one. And the real one will not fit through the narrow door you are trying to carry him through, unfortunately.
So here is what I am actually asking, and it is both smaller and stranger than winning a debate (as much as I love to win a debate — and if you know me, you know I hardly lose one). I am asking that we let Jesus be who the record says he was, even when that is inconvenient for somebody’s theology, mine included where it applies.
But I do not want to leave you holding a softer version of my view than the one I actually carry, because that would be its own quiet dishonesty, and I have spent this whole essay promising not to do that. I am not saying we should each go off and read the man and come back with our own private Jesus, as though the historical figure were an inkblot test. The man is not an open question. He is the one the Bible describes, for the simple reason that the Bible is the only place his actual life is recorded at all. He is Jesus Christ, the Son of God, crucified under Pontius Pilate and risen on the third day. That is not an opinion I am setting out for negotiation. It is where the evidence and my faith both land, and I am not going to perform a neutrality I do not feel.
This is also why I cannot meet the claim halfway by conceding the prophet and arguing only about the rest. If your faith tells you Jesus was a prophet, I am not going to wrestle you in the street over it, and I can keep a real friendship across that gap without any strain at all. But I do not agree, and the disagreement is not just a difference in taste. It is that the records do not agree with the claim. History does not agree with it. The earliest documents — the ones written closest to the man by people who knew him or knew the people who knew him — do not agree with it. So the real question on the table turns out to be very simple. Do we take a text that arrived six centuries later and let it quietly overwrite everyone who was actually there? Because if we are willing to do that for Jesus, we have to be willing to do it for everyone, and we may as well bin the recorded history of every human being who lived and died before the seventh century. I am not willing to do that. Not for Caesar, not for Socrates, and certainly not for Jesus Christ.
The claim “Jesus was a Muslim” is, in the end, a kindness that costs the truth more than it can afford. It builds its bridge by quarrying the stone straight out of the actual man — his words, his charges, his cross. And the man does not survive the quarrying. What is left standing on the bridge is a figure wearing his name and carrying none of his scandal.
I would rather keep the scandal. I would rather sit across the table from my friend, each of us holding our real Jesus — his necessary one and my attested one — and argue it out honestly over the coffee, than shake hands over a Jesus that neither of us would recognise if he walked into the room. The honest argument is a form of respect. The premature agreement is not.
Jesus could not have been a Muslim. He lived too early to take the oath, claimed far too much to keep the creed, and died in precisely the manner the creed insists he did not. Call him a great teacher, if that is as far as you are able to go. Tell me he submitted to God, and I will nod, because he did — to a God he called Father. But tell me he was a Muslim, and you have not told me anything about Jesus. You have told me how much of him you were willing to set down and walk away from in order to make him fit.
I am not willing to set any of him down. And I suspect that if you have read this far, you already understand why.
“Tell me where I have got the Islam wrong. I mean it, and I will listen. But you will have to do it with the record, not around it.”
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